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RobL
06-01-2015, 03:47 AM
Updates on the progress of the KCC/BDUK project to deploy fibre to the cabinet in Speldhurst. Wasting our money on dead end technology.
Do let us know what speed you actually get if you order this! It will be faster for some, but not for all, and what a price to pay.

RobL
06-01-2015, 05:11 AM
For anyone interested ... the Speldhurst Parish Council offices in Langton Green have now ordered FTTC (BT call it "Infinity"). I'll let you know what speed they get when it's up and running. They are approximately 100m from the cabinet to which they are connected (bottom of the "Twitten", I think). The Twitten is not on Google maps, but a house named "Manor Cottage" is on the map. There is a small FTTC cabinet installed there, with 80 VDSL ports on it, making 80 folk lucky, if they're close enough to be lucky.

In the centre of the village, I remain unable to order, or even get acknowledgement of a "future date" via the BT or Zen "speed checkers", so the pre-Christmas promise from Make Kent Quicker and BT has been resolutely missed. So much for big business and government doing any better than community projects. I suspect most people connected to the big cabinet outside the NDLAN exchange in Langton are experiencing the same "unavailability".

Here's what the BT website checker says:

200

And here's what Zen's website checker says:

201

Anyone in Speldhurst got any news?

Rgds,
--RobL.

Shempz
14-01-2015, 12:01 PM
What a farce. Only 80 VDSL ports. What's the point of that?

I shudder to think how many (sorry, how "few") Fordcombe will get!

RobL
14-01-2015, 12:50 PM
What a farce. Only 80 VDSL ports. What's the point of that?

I shudder to think how many (sorry, how "few") Fordcombe will get!

It's not just whether you are quick enough to grab one of the available "superfast" (cough) ports when they do get installed, it's what speed you actually get from it that is a lottery. With so much aluminium cable around, and countryside water, wind, snow and ice, the metal in the cable going from the cabinet to your house has a tough time ahead of it.

All of the online speed estimations are based on healthy cable/metal, and no knowledge of how long that cable really is, in the real world. All bets are off if you're unlucky enough to get a bad one.

What a waste of money the FTTC technology is.

RobL
20-01-2015, 12:44 PM
More news from the buzzing efficiency of the Speldhurst Parish Council offices in Langton.

They have had BT Infinity for just over a week now, via the cabinet in the Twitten on the NDLAN telephone switch.

203

Speed tests vary from 23.9Mbps (measured at 11:15am on a Friday) up to 34Mbps (measured some other time - not sure when). Upstream varies between 7 and 9 Mbps. This is what happens with under-provisioned operator backhaul and copper wiring - it isn't fibre, despite what BT and others would have you believe with their advertising. I will keep saying this, as long as they keep advertising it as fibre ;)

--RobL.

Clarky
22-01-2015, 07:45 AM
For those of us currently 'enjoying' between 3 and 4.5mb anything over 10 would be a drastic improvement. 25mb would be glorious but at what price?

RobL
22-01-2015, 09:52 AM
For those of us currently 'enjoying' between 3 and 4.5mb anything over 10 would be a drastic improvement. 25mb would be glorious but at what price?

Well - to tie you in for 12-18 months Sky and BT will offer it "free", but with line rental at 16.99(ish) per month. That line rental tax will be around as long as BT Openreach infrastructure is the only way to get cost effective broadband to us rural folk. The real cost, once they've given you the intro-offer, is 30/month usually. Line rental plus whatever they decide to charge you.

It's the BDUK 1.2b public money giveaway that worries me, on dead-end copper infrastructure. It's just "wrong". Our government is ensuring the copper remains the only cost effective way, by not supporting community initiatives like B4RN and B4RS, and making it a fair playing field. We're watching the KCC/BDUK project carefully, and measuring their performance as best we can, so that B4RS can fix the problem properly, the right way, once they're done spending our money on it.

I'm lucky enough to get ADSL2+ with 18Mbps to me, and 1.2Mbps back to the internet. I struggle with that, when downloading the next Microsoft Server ISO which is 3+ Gigabytes in size, or when the kids want to watch a movie while I do a conference call using VoIP. We shouldn't be worrying about measly amounts of bandwidth - the technology exists to make it irrelevant. Our government and the incumbent don't want the status quo to change. That's the real problem.

Clarky
22-01-2015, 12:00 PM
Well - to tie you in for 12-18 months Sky and BT will offer it "free", but with line rental at 16.99(ish) per month. That line rental tax will be around as long as BT Openreach infrastructure is the only way to get cost effective broadband to us rural folk. The real cost, once they've given you the intro-offer, is 30/month usually. Line rental plus whatever they decide to charge you.

It's the BDUK 1.2b public money giveaway that worries me, on dead-end copper infrastructure. It's just "wrong". Our government is ensuring the copper remains the only cost effective way, by not supporting community initiatives like B4RN and B4RS, and making it a fair playing field. We're watching the KCC/BDUK project carefully, and measuring their performance as best we can, so that B4RS can fix the problem properly, the right way, once they're done spending our money on it.

I'm lucky enough to get ADSL2+ with 18Mbps to me, and 1.2Mbps back to the internet. I struggle with that, when downloading the next Microsoft Server ISO which is 3+ Gigabytes in size, or when the kids want to watch a movie while I do a conference call using VoIP. We shouldn't be worrying about measly amounts of bandwidth - the technology exists to make it irrelevant. Our government and the incumbent don't want the status quo to change. That's the real problem.

I agree it is far from a perfect solution but I see no immediate change unless there is some form of legislation, perhaps a tax on Broadband use designed to create a fund from the non commercially viable rural projects could benefit. It is a numbers game alas and our numbers just don't stack up. Having just looked I now see that I'm being offered improvements from BT and Sky. I'm currently with Sky which was a massive improvement on the calamity that was TalkTalk. The only downside I can see is the 18month contract which for someone in rented accommodation is a little risky, especially with the way the housing market has been going lately. We are not far from the church so physical distance to the box is probably less than 100m. They suggest 40-50mb. I'd be happy with half of that as I currently drive to Crowborough daily because my business is broadband reliant.

FTTC I suppose is a way of offering a lower cost improvement, quickly, getting people off of their backs and fudging the 'fibre' figures. It is a stopgap but at least an improvement that makes a real difference to those who were struggling with ridiculously low speeds.

stonewall100
22-01-2015, 02:01 PM
Rob,
Kevin (Speldhurst - near Barden Road) sent me this message:" I went for the "up to" 38mbps package with Sky, and I'm getting about 37.5 according to the white box. ". Sounds pretty reasonable.

RobL
22-01-2015, 02:54 PM
Thanks Lawrence.

Yep. He's one of the very lucky ones, within a hundred metres of a cabinet given the speed he's seeing, with decent copper.

For every one of those good services, we'll see far more who have crap copper, possibly right next door to Kevin, and gets "up to" that speed, which could be anything "down to" 10Mbps where I *think* BT refuse to provide service as the VDSL service is considered commercially unviable.

Here's a fantastic link, to a BBC Newsnight review (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_bVFD6MzC4) where Bill Murphy (BT), Ed Vaisey (MP) and Peter Cochrane (ex-BT CTO) all get their say on why what Kevin has got, and you and I might get, sometime, maybe, in the future, is utterly wrong and a waste of money. The alternative solutions struggle, and have not been given a fair chance, as you well know, despite universal agreement that we will end up with fibre.

More of the same from Neil Fairbrother ... here (https://neil-fairbrother.squarespace.com/blog/2013/7/1/gfast-a-high-speed-cul-de-sac) ... on why G.Fast is again, a technology cul-de-sac.

Enjoy,
--RobL.

Shempz
02-03-2015, 12:49 PM
Interestingly, although my postcode (TN3 9TT) has disappeared off the Making Kent Quicker website, checking on http://www.esussex.org/my-area/ my postcode is due to be "upgraded" as part of Phase 6 of the East Sussex broadband project by the end of this year.

RobL
02-03-2015, 01:47 PM
No indication of what "upgraded" means?

Shempz
02-03-2015, 05:30 PM
One of the FAQs...

Is my community one of the areas that will only get 2mbps?

Unlike other local authority projects, the eSussex project is upgrading every broadband exchange area. This means that it is very unlikely that whole areas or communities will miss out on significant speed uplifts. It is much more likely that individual premises or very small groups of premises will be in the 'universal service commitment' category (at least 2mbps)


That will be me then...one of the "individual premises or very small groups of premises"!

SurreyHills
14-04-2015, 05:32 PM
Hello B4RS after a long absence !

You might like to see the disgraceful state of affairs in rural Surrey. BT are running rings around Surrey CC who seem powerless to intervene. Have a look at the comments too.

Kind regards,
Walter

http://www.guildford-dragon.com/2015/03/23/campaigner-says-superfast-broadband-upgrade-in-rural-areas-is-causing-unnecessary-mayhem/

RobL
22-04-2015, 05:00 PM
Thanks Walter.

The EO lines went live on Monday this week, which means I too have ordered my FTTC circuit(s). I have a lot of copper into my house, so more than one connection. The reason for th edealy, was down to "administrative problems" with the ordering system, as the patching and line bonding in the PCP was completed end of March. Competence, once again, which unnecessarily puts a bad light on the project.

Anyway ... we will now see what kind of throughput I get, and how quickly the capacity is consumed. Once all the fast lines have gone, will BT ask for more money? Will they pay back what they are due under the BDUK terms, as takeup is higher than they forecast? Who knows - the public aren't allowed to find out, which is shocking and down to Ed Vaisey.

Of course, the really rural folk, and those with bad copper from their cabinet are out of luck until B4RS helps them out, as BT won't be getting any more money from the public purse, nor will they be replacing copper that is well beyond its useful life.

Good to have you back on the forum in any case!

Rgds,
--RobL.